Comments on: To Vaccinate or Not to Vaccinate…that’s the question! http://greenandcleanmom.org/to-vaccinate-or-not-to-vaccinate%e2%80%a6that%e2%80%99s-the-question/ Green living and parenting with organic tips, green parenting, eco-friendly reviews to inspire and motivate. Wed, 23 May 2012 21:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Erin http://greenandcleanmom.org/to-vaccinate-or-not-to-vaccinate%e2%80%a6that%e2%80%99s-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-3028 Erin Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:20:59 +0000 http://www.greenandcleanmom.org/?p=209#comment-3028 Tiffany said "Polio ran its course and went away on its without a vaccine as did many other diseases that vaccines get the credit for “curing”." This statement worries me very much, Polio "ran its course" in the US due to the two vaccines that were developed in response to a very scary childhood disease. Yes, there was an epidemic; Yes, that was a problem; Yes, the number of cases would have decreased, but the number of cases would have probably increased at a later time (see Indonesia and Nigeria for examples). Check out the book The Splendid Solution by Jeffrey Kluger to get an idea of the terror that Polio caused and the frantic race to develop a vaccine. Tiffany said “Polio ran its course and went away on its without a vaccine as did many other diseases that vaccines get the credit for “curing”.”

This statement worries me very much, Polio “ran its course” in the US due to the two vaccines that were developed in response to a very scary childhood disease. Yes, there was an epidemic; Yes, that was a problem; Yes, the number of cases would have decreased, but the number of cases would have probably increased at a later time (see Indonesia and Nigeria for examples).

Check out the book The Splendid Solution by Jeffrey Kluger to get an idea of the terror that Polio caused and the frantic race to develop a vaccine.

]]> By: Green & Clean and CNN.com « Journeys and Adventures http://greenandcleanmom.org/to-vaccinate-or-not-to-vaccinate%e2%80%a6that%e2%80%99s-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1710 Green & Clean and CNN.com « Journeys and Adventures Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:47:18 +0000 http://www.greenandcleanmom.org/?p=209#comment-1710 [...] across this blog with some interesting posts about vaccinations: GreenandCleanMom.org - Debate and GreenandCleanMom.org - The Question. It’s always good to hear about more people educating themselves, no matter what decisions [...] [...] across this blog with some interesting posts about vaccinations: GreenandCleanMom.org – Debate and GreenandCleanMom.org – The Question. It’s always good to hear about more people educating themselves, no matter what decisions [...]

]]> By: Tiffany http://greenandcleanmom.org/to-vaccinate-or-not-to-vaccinate%e2%80%a6that%e2%80%99s-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1464 Tiffany Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:44:47 +0000 http://www.greenandcleanmom.org/?p=209#comment-1464 Polio ran its course and went away on its without a vaccine as did many other diseases that vaccines get the credit for "curing". A quick look into history and timelines verifies this. I am for informed consent. The bad and the ugly needs to be prsented in all its horror to each parent...somehow I don't see that happening ever. I don't think any medical personnel should be touting the benefits of a vaccine without sharing some of my story or the like for consideration...its only right. Somehow the bad gets glossed over. But regardless it should not be my burden or my children's burden to inject themselves with potential toxins to ensure someone else's health. I disagree that the herd is protecting us non-vaccining folk. In almost all the recent outbreaks I have read about the non-vaccinated kids that got some of these diseases came through with flying colors. The vaccinated kids they passed it on to (who were supposed to be immune right?) are the ones that faired badly. We also can't ignore that someone is making a butt load of money by making us think we need these vaccines. Polio ran its course and went away on its without a vaccine as did many other diseases that vaccines get the credit for “curing”. A quick look into history and timelines verifies this. I am for informed consent. The bad and the ugly needs to be prsented in all its horror to each parent…somehow I don’t see that happening ever. I don’t think any medical personnel should be touting the benefits of a vaccine without sharing some of my story or the like for consideration…its only right. Somehow the bad gets glossed over.

But regardless it should not be my burden or my children’s burden to inject themselves with potential toxins to ensure someone else’s health. I disagree that the herd is protecting us non-vaccining folk. In almost all the recent outbreaks I have read about the non-vaccinated kids that got some of these diseases came through with flying colors. The vaccinated kids they passed it on to (who were supposed to be immune right?) are the ones that faired badly.

We also can’t ignore that someone is making a butt load of money by making us think we need these vaccines.

]]> By: admin http://greenandcleanmom.org/to-vaccinate-or-not-to-vaccinate%e2%80%a6that%e2%80%99s-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1444 admin Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:26:33 +0000 http://www.greenandcleanmom.org/?p=209#comment-1444 I agree with Allison on each parenting have to decide for themselves and research. Tiffany, there are two sides to the story, yes. This is why tomorrow I will have my side and some more information and resources. It's controversial because there are so many scary stories. I think we'd have more scary stories without vaccines though. I've read your story and it breaks my heart. I'm sorry you or any child or family has to go through that. I think like Allison says, it's more rare in comparision to the lives saved. Is it risking your child's life for the "herd" or is it preventing him from getting diseases that still exist or his children's generation? The word "herd" should not be taken out of context here. Herd immunity is what we are talking about. Those of us that have been vaccinated cannot protect everyone who has not been vaccinated and therfore if more and more people don't vaccinate the immunity will go away and in walk polio. Do you want that? I agree with Allison on each parenting have to decide for themselves and research. Tiffany, there are two sides to the story, yes. This is why tomorrow I will have my side and some more information and resources. It’s controversial because there are so many scary stories. I think we’d have more scary stories without vaccines though. I’ve read your story and it breaks my heart. I’m sorry you or any child or family has to go through that. I think like Allison says, it’s more rare in comparision to the lives saved.

Is it risking your child’s life for the “herd” or is it preventing him from getting diseases that still exist or his children’s generation? The word “herd” should not be taken out of context here. Herd immunity is what we are talking about. Those of us that have been vaccinated cannot protect everyone who has not been vaccinated and therfore if more and more people don’t vaccinate the immunity will go away and in walk polio. Do you want that?

]]> By: Allison http://greenandcleanmom.org/to-vaccinate-or-not-to-vaccinate%e2%80%a6that%e2%80%99s-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1437 Allison Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:24:31 +0000 http://www.greenandcleanmom.org/?p=209#comment-1437 It is true, as Tiffany says, that on RARE occasions vaccines can cause serious side effects. I'm so sorry to hear that your son had a terrible reaction to a vaccine, Tiffany. The number of lives they have saved versus the numbers of problems they have caused is vastly different, though! And yes, if you have one of the problems it feels huge (and it is!) but the overall picture is very important. I think every parent needs to decide for themselves, and it is very important to do research before choosing to inject your child with anything. After all of my research, I have decided to fully vaccinate my child. I have a friend who has decided to wait until her son is 3, and then start the vaccines one at a time. To each their own! It is true, as Tiffany says, that on RARE occasions vaccines can cause serious side effects. I’m so sorry to hear that your son had a terrible reaction to a vaccine, Tiffany. The number of lives they have saved versus the numbers of problems they have caused is vastly different, though! And yes, if you have one of the problems it feels huge (and it is!) but the overall picture is very important.

I think every parent needs to decide for themselves, and it is very important to do research before choosing to inject your child with anything. After all of my research, I have decided to fully vaccinate my child. I have a friend who has decided to wait until her son is 3, and then start the vaccines one at a time. To each their own!

]]> By: Tiffany http://greenandcleanmom.org/to-vaccinate-or-not-to-vaccinate%e2%80%a6that%e2%80%99s-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1436 Tiffany Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:29:54 +0000 http://www.greenandcleanmom.org/?p=209#comment-1436 On one hand you could say vaccines saves lives...maybe. But it is equally important to mention that vaccines TAKE lives. They almost took my son's life and they did leave him with a seizure disorder. No parent should be asked to risk their child for the good of the "herd". Also aluminum is in most vaccines and causes just as many issues as Mercury. Just the other side of the debate...both sides need to be represented for all parents to consider. On one hand you could say vaccines saves lives…maybe. But it is equally important to mention that vaccines TAKE lives. They almost took my son’s life and they did leave him with a seizure disorder. No parent should be asked to risk their child for the good of the “herd”.

Also aluminum is in most vaccines and causes just as many issues as Mercury.

Just the other side of the debate…both sides need to be represented for all parents to consider.

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